Pensioners Beware This Has Not Gone Away – The SNP Would Have No Part In Policies Such As This – Westminster Unionists Would

 

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2013: Retired people could do work for pensions

Lord Bichard, a former benefits chief, said “imaginative” ideas were needed to meet the cost of an ageing society. And although such a move might be controversial, it would stop older people being a “burden on the state”. The peer is a member of a committee investigating demographic changes and their impact on public services. The panel was told that the transfer of wealth from young to old in the UK was the highest in Europe.

A former head of the Benefits Agency and top civil servant at the Education Department he said the debate on rising healthcare and pension costs needed to be broadened out. “Are there ways in which we could use incentives to encourage older people, if not to be in full time work, to be making a contribution?,” he asked the rest of the committee.
It is quite possible, for example, to envisage a world where civil society is making a greater contribution to the care of the very old, and older people who are not very old could be making a useful contribution to civil society in that respect, if they were given some incentive or some recognition for doing so.”

The 65-year-old crossbench peer, suggested the government should use the pensions system to “incentivise” retired people. “We are now prepared to say to people who are not looking for work, if you don’t look for work you don’t get benefits, so if you are old and you are not contributing in some way or another maybe there is some penalty attached to that.”
He asked: “Are we using all of the incentives at our disposal to encourage older people not just to be a negative burden on the state but actually be a positive part of society?”
He acknowledged it would be difficult for politicians to sell to the public, but added: “So was tuition fees.”

 

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Prof James Sefton, of Imperial College, London, a former adviser to the Treasury, told the committee young people were effectively subsidising the older generation – and he could not understand why they were not protesting about it. “I think they should be angry. I think the deal they are getting is poor,” he told the peers. “There are a lot of transfers going on within the system, from the young towards the old and I think awareness of it is very poor and I think eventually it will come out.”

He said research he was carrying out at Imperial College, with Dr David McCarthy, suggested “the current generation are very heavy contributors to the public purse, whereas previous generations have benefited from the public purse”. This was mostly down to high house prices, high youth unemployment, rising public debt and the cost of education, added Prof Sefton, who is also a quantitative analyst at UBS bank. The older generation benefits from public funds, in the form of healthcare and pensions, but younger people have to rely more on “private transfers” of wealth, such as family money, to a far greater extent than in other European countries, he added.

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The General Secretary of the “National Pensioners Convention”, Director General’s of the charity “Age UK” and “Saga” reacted angrily to Lord Bichard’s idea claiming that:.

* “This amounts to little more than national service for the over 60s and is absolutely outrageous. “Those who have paid their national insurance contributions for 30 or more years are entitled to receive their state pension and there should be no attempt to put further barriers in their way.”

* “Older people are a hugely positive part of society – over a third of people aged between 65 and 74 volunteer, a percentage that only drops slightly for the over 75s. “In addition, nearly a million older people provide unpaid care to family or friends saving the state millions of pounds.”

* “Almost a third of working age parents rely on grandparents to provide childcare – and more than 900,000 people are working past the traditional retirement age “either because they want to or because they can’t afford to retire”.

* “We must not forget that retirement is a vastly different experience depending on your personal circumstances. For example, 40% of all people over 65 have a serious longstanding illness and 1.7m of our pensioners live in poverty. “For many of those, retirement can be an unrelenting struggle of trying to survive on a low income in poor health.”

* Those who have retired have already made huge contributions to our society and are already the largest group of charity and community volunteers.”

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-20044862

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MP’s Expecting To Get Paid Loadsa More Money In The Next Westminster Parliament – For Less Hours Of Work. Nice One!

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Inflation-busting increase is expected to be announced after the May General Election

A 2014 IPSA survey showed many MPs believe they should be paid £86,000 a year – with some backbenchers insisting they should get more than £100,000. Instead, Labour and Tory sources say Sir Ian Kennedy, head of the Independent Parliamentary Standards Authority (IPSA) will suggest raising MPs’ pay to £75,000 a year, in a series of upratings starting in 2015, coupled with much higher pension contributions.

Speaker John Bercow has already warned Party Leaders not to prevent a big pay rise for MPs. He said they resented party leaders blocking increases to ‘appease the public’ and urged them ‘not to feel the temptation to interfere’ with IPSA’s ruling. He said that in the past, ‘party leaders who either had a higher salary by virtue of their office or who have had access to other sources of finance have been very quick to tell ordinary MPs what they should and shouldn’t be paid’

Ed Miliband says MPs will have to accept a 1 per cent wage rise, like all other public sector workers, and not the 15 per cent award they are thought to be in line for
A pay rise of £10,000 a year for MPs will be scrapped if Ed Miliband wins the next Election, Labour signalled last night.

Other party leaders refused to comment on the matter but position of all Party’s needs to be clarified formally for the electorate before the General Election.

 

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A Voters View:

How dare they even think of a rise in their inflated wages not to mention utterly obscene pensions while taking bread from our childrens mouths. Have they no concept of leading by example or is it a case of “pull up the drawbridge Sectomus i’m over the moat” If that bunch of thieving lying rats vote themselves another penny raise before the national debt is cleared then we should have the biggest show of civil disobedience ever.

 

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No Mean City – An English Journalist Pronounces On The Savages North Of Hadrians Wall

 

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11 April 2015: The bullying behind the SNP’s smiles – An article written by Andrew Gilligan
Scots separatists’ leaders may present a respectable face to voters but at grassroots level some members are less genial  http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/general-election-2015/11529177/The-bullying-behind-the-SNPs-smiles.html

 

 

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A response fom Calton Jock

Reading Andrew Gilligan’s article it was clear that he was reporting various incidents having first gleaned the information from the press. But that only serves to expose the weakness of his arguments since the media, with the exception of a recently intoduced daily the “National” is entirely owned and contolled by persons and organisations outwith Scotland. These entities are ever guilty of distorting the truth of any situation casting in a bad light individuals with a leaning towards support of Scotland as a nation distinct and different in every way from England.

You will have noted I am a native of, “the Calton” in Glasgow the place the electorate of which Margaret Curran is pledged to support. She has failed quite badly in that respect preferring to plough the furrow at Westminster in support of the London Based Labour Party. Gilligan’s glaring lack of understanding of Scottish wit is what persuades him and others of a similar ilk to their view that people who live to the North of Hadrians Wall are just a wee bit removed from cavemen which is total twaddle.

Addressing the confrontation involving Margaret Curran and the two Nationalist’s their actions may have been a wee bit, “over the top” but their natural exhuberance was enhanced by the euphoria of actually meeting the elusive Margaret, a rare occurence indeed in the Calton. Giligan’s moan about filming is without substance since the introduction of the “selfie” can be attributed to the London elite. Even the Queen, David Cameron and Miliband are at it. Instant celebs eh!!

I covered the grafitti incident in Aberdeen in my post. https://caltonjock.com/2015/04/14/scottish-and-uk-media-reporting-policies-double-standards-two-glaring-examples-of-news-distortion-in-favour-of-the-red-blue-unionist-parties/ Again the media manipulating evidence to suit their agenda of misinformation

The Labour canvasser in Renfrewshire was not threatened with a chainsaw by an SNP supporter. It was a used weedkiller burner incapable of scorching a fingernail let alone a decapitation. The canvasser was a Councillor with a superior attitude from the affluent Newton Mearns. Not the best use of labour supporters.

Gilligan’s asserted that “nationalism’s recent rise has also involved something more troubling; delegitimising and dehumanising opponents – not just disagreeing with their arguments, but also denying their very right to argue at all.” This well constructed attack on nationalism should be attributed to the “Nationalist Unionist Fear Campaign” launched by the Westminster establishment around 2 year’s ago. My series of articles “People of Influence Whom You Hardly Know” provides support to my view.

The James Cook “Twitterate” nonsense and the BBC plea for fair mindedness was rich coming from an organisation that has lost the respect of the vast bulk of Scots due to it’s on-going campaign of misinformation designed to provide unqualified support to the Westminster establishment regardless of the truth of any situation. I have written many articles exposing the weaknesses of an organisation totally under the control of the labour party, Westminster and the US. The BBC in Scotland should be regulated as it was before, by a body comprised of Scots elected by Scots. Getting back to James Cook his approach at the time he interviewed Nicola Sturgeon was over robust and questions put to her had been formed from an opinion that what he had been told by some other person was true which is unprofessional hence the increase in the volume of twittering.

Nick Robinson is no stranger to violence. I well remember his attack on an old man and his violent destruction of a banner he had been displaying http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1322547/BBCs-Nick-Robinson-loses-cool-sign-waving-anti-war-protesters.html I witnessed the incident involving Mr Salmond. And the heavily doctored BBC report broadcast later. It seemed to me Mr Robinson was not at his best since despite a display of endless patience by Mr Salmond Nick persisted in his clearly biased questioning. The final put-down by Alex Salmond brought to an end any respect might have had for Nick which is sad.

The four SNP councillors suspended in December for burning a copy of the Smith Commission report on extra powers for Scotland did not burn a copy of the report they burned only the front cover, which in their view was the minimum response within their grasp. They were suspended from the party for a time, which was a fit punishment for exposing the SNP to critisism . That they have been reinstated proper in the circumstances..

Muriel Gray, the Scottish writer’s comment “Politics is now like a religion in Scotland, it used to be debateable and enthralling Now it is tribal, identity politics, for us or against us. Tragic.”

Noting the turnout in the referendum exceeded 90% in the vast bulk of Scottish cities and regions I prefer the reverse statement “Politics in Scotland is now debateable and enthralling. It used to be like a religion in Scotland, tribal, identity politics, for us or against us. Great.”

To conclude. Gilligan’s article is in my view vulgar dribble designed to inflame not inform. He has done better work.

Jim Murphy’s Ding A Ling – Attacking Silly Billy Parking Restrictions – Responding to His Constituents Petition Clear Cut? Not A Bit of It

 

 

A typical Murphy ding-a-ling. Organise a photoshoot. Highlight and embarass the target. Propose remedial measures so Jim looks good.

 

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August 2013: Harsh Parking Enforcement Measures Condemned and the Case of the Missing 800 Signature Petition

Barrhead’s MP Jim Murphy released the findings of a local survey he conducted with businesses in Barrhead about the current parking situation. Stats he released last week reveal that 85 per cent of business owners asked think the current parking regulations aren’t working, and 57 per cent of business had reported a drop in revenue since they were introduced.

Jim said: “The results of this survey prove what we already know – that the current enforcement measures is the wrong approach and is damaging business in Barrhead. Businesses are already facing the pressure of a sluggish economy and we need to do everything we can to help them stay in Barrhead. These parking measures are clearly not working and it is time for the Council to work with local businesses and residents to carry out a full review of the regulations so that shoppers are encouraged to come back to the Main Street”
http://www.ernhw.org.uk/forum/2-public-forum/28536-mp-wades-in-on-parking-enforcement-row

 

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Comment from Locals:
See, a politician that actually does something, talks to his constituents and listens to what they are saying. It’s a pity his party isn’t in charge in East Renfrew, and that he doesn’t control the people running the council. Oh wait, it is, and he does….

 

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Mr Murphy is very good …… at talking. But when it comes to DOING something to help constituents, he is consistently found wanting. And since Mr Murphy is majoring on this subject of parking, can we examine just exactly all he has done.

As the Freedom of Information (FOI) request proved, his office is a statutory consultee so he and his party can’t say they didn’t know anything about it.

Although I started to seek clarity for Clarkston restrictions in January 2013, it wasn’t until the end of April 2013 that he and his pal, Mr Macintosh issued a questionaire to Clarkston businesses of which, I’m told, only FOUR business owners replied. (More talk)

I’m told they then issued “Dear Business Owners” letters in May 2013 to ask if anyone who had a problem with the restrictions to come and speak to them as they would be in Clarkston the following week. (More talk)

Then we hear of “Jim’s Blog” with a video of Mr Murphy standing in Barrhead complaining about parking enforcement in Clarkston. Yet it is his Party who have introduced the aggressive enforcement. (More talk)

We then had a photo of the MP and MSP being presented with a petition which included, I’m told, a list of over 800 names. This is over 800 local people who have taken the time, and are very concerned, to add their names to this petition. And I had to ask what had happened to this petition.

With parking being a council responsibility, any right minded person would assume that this petition would have been handed over to the council prior to the Motion on parking being debated in Council.

I asked the CEO a week AFTER the debate as to why the petition wasn’t mentioned in the debate and I was told she was unaware of such a petition.

I can only assume the petition is now lying in the Labour Party office gathering dust or, alternatively, these two gentlemen have binned it. The one time they were asked to DO something and they failed, miserably.

 

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Maybe the petition is like the WMDs a figment of his imagination. He could offer a free kitchen( at taxpayers expence of course) for anyone finding it.

 

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Falkirk-Grangemouth-East Renfrewshire – Lamont Was Neutered By Miliband – Murphy Will Be Next

 

 

 

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The Falkirk vote fixing fiasco and industrial Action At Grangemouth that followed was never concluded in a satisfactory fashion. The humiliation of Johann Lamont by Ed Miliband and the London labour crowd brought about her resignation and it is entirely possible the same fate is awaiting Jim Murphy whom Miliband thinks is a rough bit of legacy handed over like a poisoned chalice by Gordon Brown and Tony Blair who were glad of Murphy’s bully boy tactics maintaining control of anyone that dared step out of line. Miliband operates in a different way and Murphy is of no further use to Labour. But it is important to review just what went on in Falkirk and to pick up on a comment from Murphy’s “Done like a Kipper” East Renfrewshire:

 

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November 2013: Break your silence: Falkirk Labour members tell Scottish leader Johann Lamont

Labour members have demanded Scottish leader Johann Lamont answer their questions on the Falkirk vote-fixing row that nearly closed Grangemouth and explain why her party ignored the scandal.

In an email to Lamont, local branch members said they felt “utterly disillusioned” that their complaints about the trade union Unite were not addressed by the Scottish party and have urged her to speak at a summit today on the fiasco.

The branch also claimed the “inaction” nearly led to “economic catastrophe” through the possible closure of the vital Grangemouth oil refinery.

As revealed by the Sunday Herald, Unite signed up around 100 new members to the local party in a bid to help its favoured candidate, Karie Murphy, secure the candidacy for the Falkirk seat. Many of the new members had their subscription paid by Unite and were recruited from the Ineos-owned refinery by Stevie Deans, a Unite shop steward at the site and chair of the local Labour party. However, Unite faced allegations of irregularities during the recruitment drive, including claims that some new members had been signed up without their knowledge.

An investigation by UK Labour led to the constituency party being put into “special measures”, while Deans and Murphy were suspended. The pair were cleared after key evidence was withdrawn, although Labour leader Ed Miliband pointedly refused to offer support to the duo and pushed ahead with reforms to his party’s links with the unions.

 

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Emails have since surfaced which appear to show that Unite drafted a “retraction” letter for some of the original witnesses. The political drama also turned into an economic crisis as Ineos investigated whether Deans worked on the Labour contest with company resources. The row spiralled into a dispute over the pay and pensions of workers at the plant, which led to Ineos threatening to close the entire plant. Deans eventually quit his Ineos job 24 hours ahead of the firm announcing the result of its probe.

Lamont has taken second billing to the UK party in dealing with the row, but she has now been thrust into the spotlight. Ahead of an all-member meeting of the local party today, the Camelon and Falkirk North branch has urged Lamont to attend the summit in person. The email, sent on Wednesday by a lay official on behalf of the branch, stated: “Many of our local branch members feel that it would be beneficial if you are also in attendance, as a representative of the Scottish Labour Party, to answer our questions.”

On the vote-fixing allegations, the official wrote: “Many of our party members feel utterly disillusioned and disappointed that the Scottish party appeared to take no action, despite complaints being made that rules were being broken several months ago.” The official added: “Furthermore, we are aware that complaints were raised that data protection rules were abused, when Labour Party members were contacted by Unite the union, although they were not union members. How did Unite obtain their contacts?”

The email also claimed that the failure to address the allegations led to the Grangemouth crisis: “We believe that the inaction at that time almost caused an unprecedented country wide economic catastrophe and we would be grateful for an opportunity to speak directly to you, as Leader of the Scottish Labour Party.”

 

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Branch members are also unhappy that Deans remains as Falkirk West chair: “Finally, a large number of members have indicated disquiet that the meeting may be chaired by Mr Steven Deans, and believe that, if so, it would not be conducive to a completely open and frank meeting where members could express their opinions freely.” The official concluded by informing Lamont that local members were “worthy of your presence”. The Sunday Herald understands Deans will not attend today’s meeting. However, Unite said Deans would continue as chair of Unite in Scotland.

Prime Minister David Cameron waded into the row last week, after he described Deans as a “rogue trade unionist” who nearly brought the Grangemouth plant “to its knees”.

Len McCluskey, the general secretary of Unite, described Cameron’s remarks as “disgraceful”.

Scottish Conservative energy spokesman Murdo Fraser said: “The fact Labour chiefs were warned of this months ago and did nothing is quite incredible. “Instead of intervening and showing some backbone towards Unite, they cowered away, risking one of Scotland’s biggest industries in the process. “The more details that come out about this shameful saga, the more astonishing Labour’s inaction appears.”

A SNP spokesperson said: “When her party was in chaos over the Falkirk selection scandal, Johann Lamont was silent and let her London party bosses take charge. If Ms Lamont fails to step up, the question mark over her leadership will continue to grow. “The focus of SNP ministers has been on saving jobs at Grangemouth. However, there is no question that the inter-relationship between the industrial dispute and Labour’s internal politics has been unfortunate and extremely damaging to the workforce.”

Sitting Falkirk MP Eric Joyce, whose exit from Labour created the vacancy, said: “Decent Falkirk Labour members want a bit of actual leadership from Johann Lamont. They feel abandoned to Unite. I hope Ms Lamont will attend and insist the fixing inquiry is re-continued.”

A Scottish Labour spokesperson said: “The complaints about the Falkirk selection have been fully investigated and acted upon. We are now focussed on ensuring we have a fair and transparent selection and that the local party has a new candidate they can get behind for the 2015 General Election.” http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home-news/break-your-silence-falkirk-labour-part-y-members-tell-scottish-leader-johann-lamont.22592711

 

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Hello!! Eastwood & Renfrewshire Here!! How’s About Helping Us – We are subject to Similar Outrages

I think Ms Lamont’s silence on this has been shocking. It’s as if she’s been on holiday since April. What’s even more shocking is our own local Labour Party’s use of similar techniques, in a Machiavellian plot hatched in the middle of this.

We have misuse of Data Protection – in Falkirk/Grangemouth, Unite seemed to be able to use the mailing list of the local Labour Party. Here, we had council officials using Data Protection as a reason not to reveal the names of Community Council candidates.

We know now why they would not release them, as we would have seen that at Newron Mearns County Council, some of them were Labour plants – who ordered the council officials to take this path? It seems to have clear party political implications.

We have flooding of an organisation (Newton Mearns Community Council) with members of a group (Eastwood Labour Party), with the aim of taking it over, to further their own aims (presumably supporting Labour objectives and nullifying local opposition). In secret of course, with no declarations of interests.
http://www.ernhw.org.uk/forum/2-public-forum/29917-break-your-silence-falkirk-labour-members-tell-scottish-leader-johann-lamont

 

 

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Barrhead -Methadone Capital of East Renfrewshire – Nice Legacy Jim Murphy – Assuming you are kicked out on 7 May – Others will need to Clean Up Your Party’s mess

This is Murphy’s legacy to East Renfrewshire. The huge red cross hovers over Barrhead

 

 

 

 

 

 

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The crosses are pharmacies, the bigger and redder the cross, the more methadone is dispensed. It could be that the junkies in the rest of the region are defiantly sticking to their heroin – maybe they have enough money and a reliable source so can be high-functioning junkies. Or…

Labour In Scotland Leadership Campaign – Gerrymandering And Nepotism – Central Office In London Decided Upon Murphy And So It Was.

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Dirty tricks row over Labour leadership voting booklet

November 2014: Jim Murphy was last night dragged into claims of dirty tricks in an increasingly fierce Scottish Labour leadership contest, after facts which could have helped his main opponent were not supplied to voters.

Jim Murphy was last night dragged into claims of dirty tricks in an increasingly fierce Scottish Labour leadership contest, after facts which could have helped his main opponent were not supplied to voters.

The super-union Unite wrote to Labour’s UK general secretary, Iain McNicol, demanding to know why trade union nominations for the leader and deputy had been excluded from publicity material sent to eligible voters.

Unions overwhelmingly backed Murphy’s left-wing rival, Neil Findlay MSP, for the leadership, and left-wing MP Katy Clark as deputy. But the material sent by the party to voters contained only nominations by MPs, MEPs and MSPs – the bulk of whom backed Murphy for leader and MSP Kezia Dugdale for deputy.

Also omitted were nominations from constituency Labour parties, slightly more in favour of Murphy and Dugdale.

A senior union source said: “It does not feel particularly clean as a process. Jim Murphy is an establishment figure within the Labour Party. He will have very good relationships with the party at a high level.”

In a letter to McNicol, Unite’s Scottish secretary Pat Rafferty said: “You can imagine my surprise when I looked at the candidate election booklet to find that my union’s nomination, along with all the other trades unions, had been omitted from the publicity material. This strikes me as a gross error of judgment. To intentionally or otherwise exclude the nominations of the trades unions feels disrespectful to all trades union members in Scotland.”

Rafferty added last night: “We are urgently seeking clarification from the Labour Party to find out why this has happened and if needs be will join other unions and affiliated organisations in making a formal complaint.

“Unless the party deals with this situation urgently they will stand accused of trying to skew this election for favoured candidates.”

Findlay said he was also seeking clarification. He said: “Over the last 24 hours I have been made aware of a deep frustration from local Labour Party branches and affiliated organisations that their nominations for the leadership campaign have been excluded from the candidates booklet … It is insulting given the effort and expense members, constituency Labour parties, trades unions and socialist societies went to organise special meetings and consultation events, only to be ignored.”

A spokesman for Murphy declined to comment. Meanwhile, a spokesperson for Scottish Labour said candidates must have at least 10 nominations from MPs, MSPs and MEPs which are included in the candidates booklet.

Supporting nominations are a separate process.

The spokesperson added: “The deadline for supporting nominations was three days before ballots were despatched so there was no way to include them in the candidates’ booklet.” http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/scottish-politics/row-over-insulting-booklet.25947400

 

 

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What the Readers Said:

The only thing surprising about Jim Murphy running a dirty campaign is that people find it surprising. For those activists in what’s left of the labour movement who fought for a NO vote, you might say this is karma tax dollars at work.

Too true; same old, same old. If you can lie to OAPs, why not to each other. Also another fine example of hiding the truth. R L Stevenson: ‘The cruellest lies are told with silence.’

It is sad that so many within the Labour party now only care about winning and not in the manner of their victory.

It’s the old ‘end-justifys-the-means’ Machiavellian philosophy. Voters beware.

Except there are no longer any ends. They have lost sight of any left wing policies.

 

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Murphy is a particularly mendacious example of this type of campaigning but it is becoming a trait of Labour tactics in general. When Andy Burnham compiled a list of MPs with private health investments he failed to include ANY labour mps which a cursory glance at original list includes such pillars of integrity as former chancellor Alistair Darling

The same Andy Burnham admitted on QT the other night that if Labour forms the next government “Down There”, he will continue with the NHS Tory reforms and Health and Care Act 2012 legislation….yet somehow he will stop the drip drip privatisation of the English Health service? Burnham’s capitulation is like Ed Balls’ commitment to the Lib Dem /Tory austerity cuts and IDS’ Welfare ‘reforms’, it looks like the Labour Manifesto will be written on one side of an A4: “No change, nothing to see here, move on.”

How can we trust a Labour Party who plays dirty tricks on its self

According to Johann Lamont that’s the reason for this election in the first place.

Very good point John! Simple answer – you can’t.

It’s only a party called labour not the original idealist socialist group who were for the people

 

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Yet the Unions cash goes towards putting out this document which simply ignores the workers point of view in favour of the high heid yins choice

Bit of an ironic description in a party whose leaders routinely over-rule constituency parties choice of candidate, and even more frequently ignore votes by their party conference on policy in favour of policies made by press release by the party leader

The problem is that the active portion of the Labour constituency parties has grown so small that they have become vulnerable to special interest groups, as recent events in Falkirk have shown.

Labour democracy is an oxymoron

When are the unions finally going to see sense and abandon this morally corrupt Scottish branch of the labour party and advise their membership to vote for the SNP, the only truly socially democratic left of centre party in Scotland.

Never, the unions are all controlled from the south. Unionist and Trade Unionist mean essentially the same thing.

 

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One day the penny will drop in the collective minds of the union bosses instead of into Labours pocket – the Labour party does not protect the average voter or the disadvantaged any longer – it is simply struggling to protect itself.

So sad that this is the state of the Labour Party. It truly has lost its way.

This party lost its way back in the 1960s. Fortunately I have never been taken in by them, and I am now 60.

Indeed Douglas the Labour party has worked tirelessly against Scotland for many decades.

Since I first became politically aware in my teens, I have never trusted the Labour Party in Scotland. Jim Sillars summed them up beautifully with his story about Janey Buchan saying that the Scottish people had no right to claim the revenues of North Sea oil as “they hadn’t put the oil there in the first place”!

My realisation came when I was working offshore in 1975 and heard the lies being told by the labour government about the life of oil production

It certainly lost its way in the 60s when Willie Ross acted like a colonial governor keeping the troublesome natives in their place.

Willie Ross? Ah! I remember now – the Secretary of State for Scotland who said he’d resign if Scottish unemployment went over 100,000. It did, but he didn’t!

 

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The spokesperson added: “The deadline for supporting nominations was three days before ballots were despatched so there was no way to include them in the candidates’ booklet.”

Typical Labour – the melange of deals, wheels and committee retreads. Dirty tricks? The Labour Party? Nah!

A recent post of mine conjured up the picture of the Labour Party teetering on the brink of a deep political grave with one foot hovering over the abyss and the other on a banana skin. Murphy has switched from rotten eggs to mouldy bananas.

After all Mr Murphy had to say about UNITE and Falkirk too! Irony, irony!

Well there’s a surprise! Murphy and dirty tricks go together. No doubt advised by London HQ. despite the fact that the ballot has been open for a week, you can still join the party and get a vote. You can join for a discounted price of £5, instead of £45. Two points arise from this. Will they publish there figures after this great offer. How busy is Murphy at signing up members and stick it on his expenses. He might also offer a free Irn Bru as an incentive.

 

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Iain McNicol KNOW your place man, IF the labour party want your opinion they`ll give you it. Must be pretty hard to, just NOW, realize how corrupt this labour party really are?

I got a ballot paper through this week from my union and for the first time I’m sending it back with a note on it telling them why I refuse to vote on the leadership…. I say this as a now former labour voter and a YES voter and If the vote happened again tomorrow ,10 or 15 years or whatever I would still vote YES……

I know other union members who have faced the same dilemma as yourself. What they did though was vote for Murphy. They did so simply because they are YES voters and wanted a Labour leader in Scotland who would be a guaranteed vote loser.

They were expecting a fair and transparent election from the people who made the Vow. Eggs should not be wasted on men like Murphy.

You can’t make a Murphy without breaking a few eggs, Tim.

Same old labour,never ever going to learn ,the public hate duplicity and negativity of which Murphy is the king.

This is not about Murphy. It’s about keeping these pesky socialists out!

 

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You have to laugh at the utter stupidity of it all. Labour have come apart at the seams and instead of applying more thread they’ve approached the problem with a pair of scissors instead. Hell mend them.

Let the 2 minute hate commence! As a lifelong trade unionist I always find it amusing when the current set of trade union officials lecture us on openness and honesty. Let them tell us how open and honest their consultation processes were before they decided which candidates to back. Personally it reminds me of the stuc when these same people or those like them used to lecture us on the freedom and workers rights in the workers paradise of the Soviet union.

So there is no part of the Labour movement you can stomach?

Trade unionist seemingly happy that trade union views are not on Labour document….lol What goes through some people’s heads when trying to justify the actions of others.

There are a choice of candidates, therefore you are not required to follow the advice of your elected Union official, or are you upset that your colleagues do not favour your preference? My understanding is, Unite consulted 5,000 employed members, to reach their recommendations.

Since you Know about all the back stabbing in the unions Why don’t you tell everyone?

 

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There are some things we have in common. I feel the pain of your dilemma and genuinely sympathise. It is easier for me though I reluctantly abandoned the hope of seeing a decent, honest UK wide Labour party a long time ago. I do hope we get such a decent Labour party post-Independence and with it a better stuc.

I cannot understand your view. “Two minute hate”? “Union officials” decisions on candidates undemocratic, ergo, ignore unions and their members and support the Party, again. I support the SNP now, formerly Labour. When I give them Carte Blanche and blind loyalty then they should refuse my membership fee. Infallibility remains elusive but a nod to the electorate might go a long way.

The anonymous spokesperson for “Scottish” Labour is being typically disingenuous when they say that there was no way to include supporting nominations in the package which was sent out to eligible voters in the leadership ballot. This totally, and one suspects quite intentionally, misses the point that the issue was a matter of balance and full disclosure. If all nominations could not be included then none should have been. Let’s imagine for a moment that it had been the other way around. Let’s suppose that it was only the trade union nominations which were available while those favouring Murphy – London’s chosen man – could no be included. Does anyone seriously think that the party managers would have allowed Murphy to be disadvantaged? British Labour’s contempt for voters is certainly inclusive. It includes those within the party.

Please, if there is a god, let Murphy be crowned in a rigged election. It will be the final nail in New Labour’s Northern Branch coffin, and Darling and Brown will be poll bearers at the funeral. The UK Labour Party has completely lost it Up Here.. When Murphy ascends the throne, Labour membership will dissolve into the hundreds. Vote vote vote for Irn Bru Murphy!

 

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This news doesn’t surprise. Saw worse when I was in the party during the era when Broon and Darling were climbing the greasy pole: the mafia had more open democratic practices.

If a party continues to have a Union block vote is it any wonder that we have dirty tricks in an effort to force the issue? No disrespect to any of the candidates but if a Union can wield a large number of votes it has the potential to create this exact situation….I.e the very situation that Scots find themselves with national politics….I.e “no matter how you vote individually, we will get our man/woman in!”. Add the centralised control room from Labour Central Office, the “branch office” grass roots have less power and influence. Is it any wonder why Labour has become unpopular, and almost irrelevant.

Its probably already in the hundreds and they are just not letting on!

 

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Has he lined up an egg thrower yet? Anyone know where the auditions are being held? Nothing this man stoops to surprises me anymore.

“The deadline for supporting nominations was three days before ballots were despatched so there was no way to include them in the candidates’ booklet.” If the leadership election is being run without attempting to skew the vote, Labour can’t coordinate an internal mailshot in accordance with their own processes and a timetable that they set themselves. Incompetence or corruption? There is no third way.

A party where trades union block votes and the Islington Mafia compete for control is perhaps more suited to a long boot shaped country and the past. Hopefully the boot is exactly what they will get in May. Their supporters, such as are left and not on the payroll, deserve better.

Drawing comparisons between the Labour Party and long,boot-shaped countries is, I would suggest, a dreadful slur on long, boot-shaped countries.

Sounds like ‘loading the dice’ to me.

 

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Without taking the so-called ‘democratic’ union side, this is the ‘new, progressive, respecting the people labourites. ‘ Plus ca change, plus c’est la meme chose’.

Eggstastic Murf and aspersions of dirty tricks, how dare they try to drag him out of the gutter politics he’s so well adjusted to.

If he is not being backed by the unions will he be sponsored by Irn Bru ?

I would not be surprised if a ‘lawyer’s letter’ from the Barr Family isn’t winging its way Murhpywards as we speak. Do they really want their name associated with this Tammany Hall farce?

I was talking to a old man I know who is old school labour and I commented on labour being in a bad way, In a bad way son ? he said its deid, all we are need to know noo is when’s the funeral

If this has been a deliberate attempt to skew the vote in favour of Murphy because the Unions did not back him the vote should be declared null and void and re-organised to allow all of the information to be available. Those organising the vote were aware of the timescale and should have ensured they had enough time for everything to be done fairly and squarely. Labour meddled in the referendum and now it seems there is evidence of internal meddling to produce the result required by head office in Westminster. They are really plumbing the depths but all the while expecting the electorate to trust them on credibility. Frankly they deserve everything they get both in Scotland and the wider UK.

Labour have been guilty in gerrymandering and nepotism across Scotland over the years. It would appear this self serving attitude is alive and well in the upper echelons of London labour too. Control freakery at it’s finest.

 

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Cheating their union paymasters — Shureley not ?

The only surprise here is that some people seem surprised,the labour party in Scotland,they stabbed Scotland in the back at the referendum, so why the surprise that they stab each other in the back first chance they get, they are unionist politicians they cannot be trusted

Murphy should do what his one time leader has done ‘retire gracefully (if that is possible) from the contest’. The ‘vibs’ by this time must be telling him, there is no place for New Labour in Scotland. Ignoring them he risks humiliation.

perhaps the votes will be rigged?

London want Murphy to be in charge given his Blairite credentials….that is the simple answer.

Dirty tricks? Labour? who woulda thunk it?

What fun, the rats are feeding on themselves. Is this the time for a recount of the referendum vote?

 

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Surprise Surprise. Its funny how these tactics “become dirty” when they are used against you. The labour party is in such disarray that it is turning on itself. The wise thing for any Scot is to vote for some one who is NOT controlled from anywhere outside of Scotland.

The mendacious Murphy up to the usual Blairite tactics,this pathetic crew of “Labour” montebanks could not organise a p*** up in a brewery.Labour cannot get out of the gutter politics Murphy inhabits,this latest farrago should surely consign “Scottish” Labour to political impotence after the General Election,Brown has already bailed out after reading the runes,how many more of the serial Labour troughers jump before the G/Election?,Labour, the tragic comedy that just keeps giving!

“Dirty tricks row over Labour leadership voting booklet” Naw! Yer joking…surely! Next time…Vote “Yes”!

Hahaha. London labour running the show in Scotland shocker! Sleekit stuff from London labour.

Pat Rafferty thought the White paper/SNP Propaganda sheet was wonderful: “The White Paper will contribute towards the growing ranks of worthy publications…” Worthy? What a joke. Meanwhile at the end of this tendentious piece there is the clear statement: “Meanwhile, a spokesperson for Scottish Labour said candidates must have at least 10 nominations from MPs, MSPs and MEPs which are included in the candidates booklet. Supporting nominations are a separate process.” Is Rafferty the only one surprised by the rules and who is pulling the dirty tricks?

Look dirty tricks are a political standard lets go back to the 50,s who knew and for how long about philby burgees etc, but is was politicaly expedient for us not to know, we do not need or want the political westminster establishment in any form up here, it has had its day ,its gone and yes I would like to see Labour, the old labour, its values , its purpose,its soul even to have a damacusean road travelled, but not with any of the current self proclaimed shammen, I as a former member cringe at these cheap penny theatrics, have they no self respect, have they no respect for us, it would seem not

To be fair, I don’t think it would make sense if a right wing party paid attention to trade unions anyway.

 

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