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Scottish Independence – The Gathering Storm

 

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The gathering storm

The Westminster Government’s underhand decision to further emasculate the government of Scotland through the establishment of a UK Government in Scotland, right in the heart of Edinburgh, presents new challenges for Scottish supporters of the devolved Scottish Government and its already limited powers.

Powers greatly reduced from January 2021 after Brexit are in breach of the “Vow” signed by Prime Minister David Cameron, Liberal Democrat leader Nick Clegg and Labour leader Ed Miliband, which was published only two days before the 2014 referendum warping the outcome, leading to a “no” vote, the creation of the Smith Commission and devolution of significant new powers to Scotland.

The Westminster government’s betrayal of the principles of the “Vow” might yet be the catalyst that drives Scots to pursue through the UN a unilateral withdrawal from the 1707 Treaty of Union and full independence or at the very least another referendum and Scots must learn from the mistakes of the past before that time.

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There needs to be an acceptance by the Scottish Government and the electorate that there is an in-built majority of voters who favour remaining with the Union, a situation created through the immigration of people who favour retaining the status quo and the emigration of Scots  disadvantaged by living in Scotland.

Around 550,000 foreigners have chosen to live and raise their families in Scotland, but their political and personal ties remain with their country of origin as was evidenced in the 2014 referendum when a very significant majority of the group voted to remain with the Union, thwarting the will of Scots born nationals.

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A future independence referendum would be similarly handicapped and action needs to be taken to nullify the adverse influence of the foreign born voting bloc.

Measures might include voting qualification to be dependent upon: Being a Scottish income taxpayer and permanently resident (not a second or holiday home) in Scotland for a minimum of 2 years.

Many Scots have been forced to move away from their homes by the punitive living conditions created through the imposition of never ending austerity policies by criminally incompetent Westminster Governments.

It is estimated that there  are approximately 750,000 Scottish born people living in England and many others worldwide.

It would be to the betterment of the cause of independence if they would be included in any future referendum a change that could be inexpensively and speedily facilitated through the creation and maintenance of an expatriate (ex-pat) register.

“Will ye no come back again” seems to be a fitting slogan for a new referendum conducted with the foregoing changes in place.

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16 replies on “Scottish Independence – The Gathering Storm”

Unfortunately many of the Scots I know who have lived in England most of their lives and raised their families there are “British”. They left Scotland when it was a Labour stronghold and the Independence movement was but a few folk pub nights out. They few who have retired back to Scotland have not embraced Scotland. They read the Mail and Telegraph and talk about their pride in being Scottish IN the Union. Do not open that door. Visit Corby if you want a taste of Scots in England.

I agree it should be Scottish taxpayers and residents who should decide.

The reality is that polling should be at 70/80% and those who live here now are not the problem. It is Scots born here, who live and work here who are afraid of change.

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As one of the “English” choosing to live here and choosing to be Scottish,
rather than British,
it has not escaped my notice that the majority of resident men voted YES and the majority of resident Scots women voted NO.
Scots, like me, who voted YES would surely be better spending our energy trying to persuade more women to come to YES than inventing difficult to implement rules about who will be entitled to vote.

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Thank you for your comments. Reflecting on the proposed changes I would advise be made it would be easier just to amend the voting rights to read “eligibility to vote should be confined to persons born in Scotland”

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I am a Scot, according to Scot Gov, SNP, YES etc. but I was born in England of English ancestors on both sides of my family.
“Being born in Scotland” is very hard to administer and also very divisive..almost racially so. I cannot believe that you are serious in 2021.
Why not just work harder to persuade Scots women whilst trying to keeping Scots men voting YES?
[A Scot, as used by me, is someone who lives or works here and is normally eligible to vote]

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Voting rights should never be confined to those of us born in Scotland. That would disenfranchise those who have chosen to live here permanently. Too close to ‘blood and soil’ bullshit to interest me.

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But it would ensure a yes vote in an independence referendum. I am confident persons born outside Scotland but living here would be happy to sacrifice their vote to assist the progress of independence

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This one wouldn’t!
I’ve spent nearly 60 years of my life helping to re-build this country after the devastation of WW2 and the devastation caused by Thatcher and other Tory Governments. So far I have provided at least 3 children and 2 grand-children who regard themselves as Scottish. Your “Blood and soil” preference is a minority sport in Scotland. It is much more popular in yUcKy UcKy UK Land and some Franco areas in Spain. You won’t succeed here! Why not try there?

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I appeal to your better judgement with the reminder that the near 450,000 English born alleged residents of Scotland voted “no” in mass numbers and warped the result in favour of rejecting independence. I am suggesting that if you gave up your vote next time (as a one off) Scotland would be more assured of a Yes vote which would please us both. Makes sense!!

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I don’t think giving Scots living outside Scotland the right to vote is a good idea. For one, all the Scots I know living in England are pro-union. Even my sister – who had been raised as pro-independence as I was – had absorbed a British bias during her time south of the border because of her exposure to English media & English friends who were exposed to English media. She’s been back in Scotland for a good while now & had regained her sanity after being exposed to a better balance of information in 2014.

And what about Scots who have emigrated beyond the UK? They surely deserve a vote too but I don’t think they are automatically more pro-independence than people living in Scotland.

And then the question about who in Scotland is eligible to vote. That absolutely does need tightening up on (limiting to Scottish registered tax payers & those living here for a set period of time is a good idea) but can’t be based on where a person was born if we do want to be democratic.

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If the majority of people living here vote a particular way then that is the democratic will of the people.
Wouldn’t it be better to convince people that independence was worth voting for rather than look for loopholes to justify the result you want?

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I do not believe it is a loophole to include scots born people in an independence referendum and I also believe that an Englishman living in Scotland and a supporter of Scottish independence would readily give up a right to vote if it would increase the odds of a victory

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I am a born South African, but my children were born here. I lived in South Africa while they were growing up because my parents were there. I returned to the UK in 2012 and lived in Cambridge where my work was. It has been very clear to me since the last referendum that England can never be !y home. Particularly now that we have been dragged out of the EU without a choice or voice in the matter! I have now come home! Where I feel very strongly that we have everything to vote for here. There are others like me who I know who made the move back after the last referendum. We could see the deceit, the the uselessness of being any part of an unequal UK. The best thing we can do now is convince Scots here that it is better here than there by miles! Brexit, Boris and a government that is increasingly autocratic will never bring prosperity.

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Hi Marina, I accept you are genuinely in favour of Scottish independence. But the fact is that the vast bulk of the non Scots who voted did not support an independent Scotland and their no votes queered the result in favour of no.

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