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Noses Still in the Trough at Westminster. You Betcha !!!! Scot’s do not need to accept this nonsense

Noses Still in the Trough at Westminster. You Betcha !!!! Scot’s do not need to accept this nonsense

Total bill for MPs’ expenses & costs rose from £98million to £103million last year, official figures showed yesterday.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/509805/Bill-for-MPs-expenses-rises-by-5million

Senior Tories were last night distancing themselves from a think tank after claims it used taxpayer’s money to pay for a hotel suite that hosted a gay orgy during a Conservative Party conference.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/470168/MPs-expenses-pay-for-Conservative-party-conference-gay-orgy

Speaker John Bercow claimed almost £1,300 in expenses to attend the funeral of an MP in Manchester, it has been revealed.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/498128/John-Bercow-under-fire-for-expenses-claim.

Commons Speaker John Bercow under fire for racking up a £48,000 taxpayer-funded bill on travel in just six months.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/462930/Commons-Speaker-John-Bercow-s-travel-bill-hits-150-000

Politicians have spent an eye watering £250,000 of taxpayers’ money on portraits, which have been blasted by campaigners today as an “expensive vanity project”.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/453645/Taxpayers-fork-out-250-000-for-MPs-portraits-derided-as-expensive-vanity-project

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Trident Yes Once More It is Important,

Trident Yes Once More It is Important,

The main argument advanced by, “Better Together” for keeping Trident is to protect local jobs, (all 8000 of them) nothing to do with the cost of them to taxpayers or to the lives of potential millions killed by them. Figures released by the Ministry of Defence (MoD) under freedom of information law reveal that only 520 civilian jobs at Faslane and Coulport near Helensburgh are directly dependent on Trident. (6700+ military personnel, the bulk of whom would be offered work in a new Scottish naval base or redeployed, not losing their job ). Any local businesses who gain from being close to this site, will continue to do so as they are not directly linked to Trident nor will they lose their jobs. (Rich Welsh, Glasgow)

What they State publicly so as to defend retention of Trident:

Alistair Darling-8000
Jackie Baillie-11000
Labour Party-19000
Ian Davidson-20,000+
SNP-1800
UK Government-6000
2007 Report-1536.
MOD-520

Where are the real jobs?

The Atomic Weapons Establishment, Aldermaston, England (warheads)

Devonport, England (submarine refit and reactor refueling)

The United States (missile supply and maintenance)
Labour and the Conservatives have been accused of misleading the public by exaggerating the number of jobs that would be lost if the Trident nuclear weapons system were removed from the Clyde.
http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/political-news/labour-and-tories-under-fire-for-inflating-trident-job-losses.19262922

Labour and the Conservatives have been accused of misleading the public by exaggerating the number of jobs that would be lost if the Trident nuclear weapons system were removed from the Clyde.
http://www.robedwards.com/2012/10/job-losses-from-cancelling-trident-exaggerated.html

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Jackie Ballie Labour MSP A Consummate Liar Exposed

 

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Jackie Ballie A Consummate Liar Exposed

Labour’s demand for more public cash to operate as an opposition party at Holyrood has been attacked as “rank hypocrisy”.

A wise old Scotsman once said:

“Labour is like the pigeons in George Square…When they’re down they’ll eat out of your hand..but when they’re up they’ll shit on your head!”

 

 

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKdxprjVsnk

 

 

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So Labour MSP Baillie ploughs on with her condemnation of a proposed SNP cut to Corporation Tax, even as Andrew Kerr twice attempts to point out that Labour cut it the last time they were in power. (Kerr says by 2p, but Gordon Brown in fact cut it twice by a total of 5p and promised additional cuts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRe5WaZWID4&feature=youtube_gdata_player

 

 

 

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Open Letter to Jackie Baillie Asking her to prove her lies are the truth – No Answer

http://bellacaledonia.org.uk/2014/05/28/questions-about-faslane/

 

 

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Jackie “pants on fire” Baillie deputises for Johann Lamont (who was showing-face at Tony Benn’s funeral). 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYrOfrmJAUk&feature=youtube_gdata_player

 

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General Norman Arthur Better Together Campaigner for the Military

1. General Norman Arthur Better Together Campaigner for the Military

a. Norman’s family are extremely well connected in the South East of Scotland and enjoy a long and distinguished tradition of military service. He was destined, from birth to take up a position with a Scottish cavalry regiment and after boarding School at Eton he went on to attend Sandhurst Military Academy, from where he was first commissioned into the Royal Scots Greys. Members of his family also served with The Royal Company of Archers, a Scottish ceremonial unit that serves as the Sovereign’s Bodyguard in Scotland, a role it has performed since 1822 and the reign of King George IV, when the company provided a personal bodyguard to the King on his visit to Scotland. He had a long and distinguished military career and achieved the high military rank and other prestigious appointments expected of him.

b. He writes beautifully and possesses a wide and persuasive vocabulary. He is, as is the case with elderly gentlemen of means a bit of a romantic who sees the UK through the perspective of his privileged and sheltered upbringing in England. If he were ever wounded he would bleed, “red white and blue”. It follows therefore that he is entirely blinkered when, if ever, the subject of Scottish Independence is raised in his presence.

2. An extract from a letter he circulated to persons of influence seeking financial support for the, “Better Together” campaign

a. We need instead to debate the real prospect of fundamental and permanent change to the constitution of a great and ancient kingdom. The decision we come to may be the most important of our lives together. My thoughts focus on the history and greatness of the United Kingdom, and on its standing among the nations. Britain s strength comes from the contributions of all four of our own family of nations, so that the UK s gifts to world civilization are totally and indivisibly shared among us. This Union, which is Britain, is as old and true a parliamentary democracy as any in the world, perhaps the oldest. It is the prime example of a union of democracies, so closely woven that it may be called a family. How can we even consider splitting so great and long matured a state? What is the worth of divisive nationalism beside it? Our British voice is heard throughout the world, whether speaking from the heart of the 53 nations of the Commonwealth, as a trusted and reliable member of Nato and the western nuclear powers or just as a veteran nation with a rich, varied and stable 300 year history. Consider what Britain has given to the world in those years, in engineering, science, farming, the arts and music, medicine, literature, and, yes, in the practice of the Christian faith. We are both diverse and united, with Scotland giving much and receiving much.

b. There you are. There is absolutely no point in trying to persuade Norman to a different view. At the same juncture his perceptions are so right wing his opinions and/or pleas for a continued support of the Act of Union should be ignored.

3. COMMENT: Don’t throw away a shared history to be proud of in independence referendum

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Admiral Lord West of Spithead, former first sea lord, The UK is, “sailing into danger”

1. Lord West, Once the UK’s Top Sailor – Switched to politics and joined Gordon Browns government- Not long after he became a life peer and took his seat in the House of Lords. Prone to shooting himself in the foot his political career was short lived. He is a Labour Party member and his support of Better Together is not unexpected although his criticism of proposals for the defence forces of an independent Scotland should be balanced against his comments about the UK’s present set-up. A man of many coats is our Alan.

2. .In 2006 Gordon Brown chose a “government of all the talents”, he selected a new anti-terror chief with a heroic military background, a formidable intellect and a knowledge of the vagaries of Westminster. But within months the Prime Minister found, to his embarrassment, that Admiral Lord West of Spithead also had a talent for courting controversy.

3. In 2007 He said in a radio interview he was not, “totally convinced” of the need to hold terror suspects for 42 days. At the time Labour was pushing for police to be given powers to detain such suspects for six weeks. But two hours later, after meeting then prime minister Gordon Brown, Lord West reversed his opinion saying he was “convinced” of the requirement for such a power. He explained the switch (under 2 hours) by saying, “Being a simple sailor, not a politician, maybe I didn’t choose my words well.”

4. He was forced to deny extraordinary claims that he was having an affair with “the brunette one” from 1970s group Abba, after it emerged they had been friends for the past year or so. Amid gathering rumors, high level sources sought to divert attention by revealing that Lord West had admitted, “some years ago” to an infidelity during a routine vetting procedure – but emphatically not with the Abba star.

5. Labour was forced to apologize after former security minister Lord West branded Denmark and Belgium second-rate countries. He said the UK was still a first-rate military power, “not like bloody Denmark or Belgium”. His comments came as Labour delivered the findings of a 10-month review into defence procurement, aimed at getting better value for money from buying equipment for the UK’s armed forces.

6. Speaking in a question and answer session with 100 journalists and guests from the defence industry at Labour headquarters in central London, He said: “This business of a second-tier power – we are probably, depending on what figures you use, the fifth or sixth wealthiest nation in the world. “We have the largest percentage of our GDP on exports, apart from the tiny countries around the world, we run world shipping from the UK, we are the largest European navy. “We are a permanent member of the (United Nations) Security Council and I think that gives us certain clout and certain ability. “These mean we are not a second-tier power. We are not bloody Denmark or Belgium, and if we try to become that, I think we would be worse-off as a result. “I get slightly annoyed at this sort of statement.”

7. Labour’s Shadow Defence Secretary Jim Murphy and shadow minister Michael Dugher sat next to the peer, as he unleashed his rant. Mr Murphy looked embarrassed before saying: “Thanks Alan, and obviously for any friends from Belgium or Denmark, apologies. Or should I say former friends from Belgium or Denmark?”

8. Defence Secretary Liam Fox hailed the nations’ contribution both to the Afghan war and the conflict in Libya. He said, “I’m appalled to hear Labour’s Lord West insulting Denmark and Belgium, both of whom have been operating alongside British forces in Libya. “Forty-two Danes have lost their lives fighting alongside us in Helmand. “Lord West’s remarks are both stupid and insensitive.”

9. “Defence cuts imperil our proud nation”, warned Lord West. “Have we really decided that this great maritime nation of ours only needs 13 frigates”. “Has there been any realistic assumption of the requirement of the number of frigates – and I’m talking frigates not destroyers and other things – or is the number 13 purely based on an arbitrary cost figure? “In the final analysis, the defence of the nation is the top priority for any nation of whatever hue and I do believe we are standing into danger.”

10. Admiral Lord West of Spithead, a former first sea lord, said the country is “sailing into danger” because the Government is not planning to build enough ships. The Labour peer and former security minister under Gordon Brown said Britain’s proud naval tradition was at risk from bureaucratic and political neglect.

11. Friends say that Lord West is a bon viveur, fond of good wine, good food and good chat. Must have had a few at the time he lost top secret documents and was court marshaled earlier in his career.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/denmark/8782283/Labour-apologises-after-peer-insults-bloody-Denmark.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1575847/Admiral-Lord-Wests-son-in-drug-deal-arrest.html
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2011/sep/22/admiral-lord-west-diplomatic-blunder
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1572777/Admiral-West-denies-affair-with-Abba-singer.html
http://www.express.co.uk/comment/expresscomment/444768/Under-fire-MoD-risking-all-with-misguided-Army-cuts
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/446394/Lord-West-warns-defence-cuts-are-dangerous-and-Royal-Navy-doesn-t-have-enough-ships
http://www.westerndailypress.co.uk/sea-lord-scathing-naval-cuts/story-21206775-detail/story.html

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Whitehall Want’s Cuts I deliver States Scottish General

Major General Mark Strudwick CBE, former Aide-de-Camp to the Queen

Was, in his last post in the Army. General Officer Commanding the Army in Scotland and Her Majesty’s Governor of Edinburgh Castle. He is a Better Together Supporter. In retirement he became head of the Prince’s Scottish Youth Business Trust. (Classic case of a company man).

In the 1990s, Strudwick was Director of Infantry, and responsible for 12,000 officers at the time of the Army’s “options for change”. “We had to make 2850 officers redundant, that was a very difficult time.” Then in 2004 as a member of the council of Scottish colonels, Strudwick was handed the job of approving and publicly defending the politically-explosive creation of a single Scottish regiment, which also involved the merger of his own Royal Scots with the King’s Own Scottish Borderers.

“We had to come up with a solution, we couldn’t just go back to Whitehall (MoD) without one, they would have just imposed it. Inevitably it was enormously painful, because this is the ultimate change.”

He reflects: “What people find hard to accept is that the commitment and determination of our soldiers is not reflected in the way the Treasury is constantly driving down the costs, and the balance between having the right manpower and procurement – which always costs too much and takes too long.”

http://www.thecourier.co.uk/news/politics/veterans-groups-offer-debate-views-1.577915

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Another General Adds His Support to Better Together

General Loudon – Governor of Edinburgh Castle & Better Together supporter – Adds his signature Supporting No in the Referendum

1. General Euan Loudon Keeps Proposed Changes From Soldiers

a. 2003-2005. A series of discussions, (at the highest level) were conducted within the Scottish Regimental heirarchy pertaining to major organisational change, at the time Scottish soldiers were deployed to the war in Iraq and other operational areas. Although there was some dissemination of information at senior levels, this did not include junior ranks in case they became upset.

2. A concerned ex-soldier – Major (retd) Michael Hamilton, wrote to the Scottish Herald- Opening up the Debate to a wider Audience- He was not popular

a. His letter. August 2005. Soldiers are being kept ignorant of Army changes – General Euan Loudon says that sniping from the sidelines dispirits the serving community. So what is General Loudon really up to? Sounding off about tartan, cap badges and the retired Army community. Both expect us to follow the scent of their red herring. The main issues are not cap badges and tartans, important symbols though these are.

b. Soldiers read the Scottish tabloids, not the Scottish broadsheets in which almost all the articles and letters on the changes have been published. If General Loudon had visited the Naafi and local shops in the Falklands (company group of the KOSB), in Colinton near Dreghorn Barracks in Edinburgh (Royal Scots) , Warminster (Black Watch), Canterbury (The Highlanders), Cyprus (RHF) and Omagh (KOSB) he would know that Scottish broadsheets are not on sale. We have asked men and their families serving there. Recently I asked the newsagent in Colinton how many Jocks bought the Scottish broadsheets. He scornfully said, “You must be an officer. They read the tabloids.”

c. In all Scottish regiments, there is widespread ignorance of the reform proposals. You can meet uniformed Jocks from the Royal Scots in the streets here in Edinburgh. They recently told me, “We are all right, the KOSB are amalgamating with us – we are not amalgamating with them, ” revealing a complete failure to appreciate what is really going on. Questioned about briefings on the changes from officers, they look puzzled and say no one has briefed them. Told that they would soon be wearing the kilt and a different cap badge they laughed and told me to stop taking the mickey.

d. The first main issue is that all ranks are forbidden to speak to the media and even to their own families about the proposed reforms. So let us now challenge the ministers of defence and the Army Board to open the ranks of the six affected Scottish battalions to the media with a guarantee of no victimization and the right to speak with back to the camera with voice disguised. Let them speak the truth. If the majority want their regiments to be abolished, the campaigners will respect their freely expressed wishes and fall silent. We do not fear free speech or the truth. We put no spin on anything. We do not need to.

e. The second main issue is that instead of moving in regimental communities in which wives travel with their friends, and children move en bloc from school to school secure in whole classes, the Scottish infantry and their families will be moved just as frequently but in penny packets from battalion to battalion thus disrupting military teams and the social fabric of whole regimental communities.

f. The Regiments of Foot Guards and the Parachute Regiment have a rather more preferential deal. The Guards are not being required to move from regiment to regiment, and the Parachute Regiment is now garrisoned in Colchester, so that a posting from one battalion to another involves no move of house and school. Jobs for wives are easy to come by in these regiments: try getting a job for your wife in Omagh or Fallingbostel.

g. The third main issue is that the Scottish regiments carry a DISPROPORTIONATE share of operational duties and casualties. Details of deployments and overstretch were published in The Herald on 18 August 2005. Statistics of British Army personnel killed and injured are published on the internet each year, showing deaths by regiment and corps.

http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/spl/aberdeen/soldiers-kept-ignorant-of-army-changes-1.45143

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Military Veterans Called Up to Support Better Together

1. Military Veterans on both sides of the referendum debate are being lined up to issue a plea for voters to back their campaigns. Those voting No:

a. More than 400 former servicemen and women have signed a statement arguing that Scotland will be stronger and more secure as part of the United Kingdom.

b. Ruth Davidson, leader of the Scottish Conservatives, said: ” Britain’s Armed Forces help make this world a safer place. “We are stronger and safer together. These veterans know it and will be voting to keep Scotland secure as part of the United Kingdom on Thursday. I urge undecided voters to listen to their words and back a No vote too.”

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/sep/16/military-veterans-scottish-referendum-independence

2. Opening Narrative

Confusing Confusing. One of the Signatories, (according to the Telegraph is Major General Andrew McKay (Retd). But his views of the existing Westminster / Whitehall Set-up is well reported. He resigned his command in protest at the level of incompetence placing our armed forces in harms way, ill trained, poorly equipped and operationally directed by incompetent Westminster politicians from London, (5000 miles distant). His story follows.

3. 03 Jan 2010 Ministry of Defence (MOD) is, “institutionally incapable” of succeeding in Afghanistan – Major General Andrew Mackay, former commander of Britain’s military operation in Helmand province:

a. Major-General Andrew MacKay said the MoD had failed to adapt to 21st Century wars, instead issuing messages from London that often had “no relevance at ground level”. He said the British Army had, “consistently failed” to understand the motivations of local Afghans and called for a fresh “hearts and minds” strategy focusing on the local culture and economy.

b. His critique, written in a paper published by the Defence Academy, Britain’s armed forces university, comes four months after he resigned his position as head of the British Army in Scotland, Northern Ireland and Northern England in frustration at a lack of equipment and resources and the direction of the Afghan war.

c. The 40-page report was co-authored by Steve Tatham, a senior commander in the Royal Navy. The pair said the work is the product of two years’ experience on the ground in the battle against the Taliban.

d. “From the top of the Mod through to the army’s staff colleges, the structures, despite the best will in the world, are institutionally incapable of keeping pace with rapid change and the associated willingness to adapt – and quickly – at the same time,” the paper concluded.

e. The MoD was failing to keep pace with wars fought “in the information age”, when every assault is open to immediate scrutiny, and careers in the army are built on “budgetary and management competence”. Messages from Whitehall officials were branded by the report “a diluted and distant memory” by the time they reached the front line.

f. An MoD spokesman said: “While the MoD will consider the findings of all its reports, they do not represent the views of the MoD or wider government.”

http://www.thecourier.co.uk/news/politics/veterans-groups-offer-debate-views-1.577915

4. Major-General Andrew Mackay – His Shock Resignation and the Reasons behind It

a. Major-General Andrew Mackay, a General who led the Afghanistan campaign has resigned over his disillusion in the direction of the Government’s strategy. Major Gen Mackay, 52, who was the architect of the military’s new counter insurgency doctrine, is said to have told colleagues of his anger at the lack of resources being put into the battle. He is also said to be “disillusioned” over the failure of the Foreign Office and Department for International Development in fulfilling their obligations in Afghanistan.

b. The resignation came as a significant blow to the Government and the Army as Major Gen Mackay, who led a brigade in Helmand, was seen as a leading proponent for readjusting Britain’s counter-insurgency plan that has foundered during three years of fighting in Helmand. He is the most senior officer to leave the Army as a result of disquiet over the direction of the campaign. Other high-profile resignations have included Brig Ed Butler and Col Stuart Tootal who have both later derided shortcomings in resources for Helmand.

c. Major Gen Mackay’s time as the Brigadier in charge of 52 Brigade in Helmand over the winter of 2007 was seen as an invigorating shake-up of the direction of the campaign and a template for future commanders. Upon arriving in Afghanistan, he was said to have been shocked that senior officers were “making it up as we go along”.

d. He realised that the British had to fully engage with the civilian population and led from the front in the re-taking of the Taliban held town of Musa Qala, at one point coming under direct fire from the enemy. He was awarded the CBE for his efforts. In a secret memo published in the book, “Operation Snakebite” by Stephen Grey Major Gen Mackay said much of the equipment was “tired, limited and failing regularly”.

e. In the document to Whitehall he described a “grave crisis” over equipment. Scimitar tanks could not go into reverse unless their engines were restarted and Vector vehicles were out of action because “the wheels just kept falling off, literally” and only one fifth of machine guns were working.

f. Major Nick Haston, who was Major Gen Mackay’s deputy chief of staff, resigned from the Army earlier this year in protest at bureaucratic incompetence. He said troops had been so short of vital equipment that his staff bought spares on the internet. “I would say that some of the people that procure [equipment] in our Ministry of Defence haven’t a clue,” he said.

g. Major Gen Mackay also talked about failure coming from the “top down” and that other Government agencies were not doing their part. The ‘bottom up’ approach, of soldier slogging it out in pitched battles with the Taliban, was only buying breathing space. Without reconstruction stepping in behind there was little chance of a long term solution.

h. The book said the “central tenets of counter insurgency doctrine” were failing. Senior military commanders are currently fighting for extra troops in Helmand and admit that they are suffering greater casualties as a result of not having enough soldiers on the ground. Downing Street is currently considering sending an extra battlegroup to Helmand of up to 1,000 men bringing the total to 10,000 but is said to be apprehensive about public opinion, cost and the potential for more casualties.

i. While the Ministry of Defence insisted that he had gone for “personal reasons” one general expressed “deep shock” at his departure.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/afghanistan/6228725/Afghanistan-general-quits-over-disillusionment-with-government-strategy.html

5. Where is He Now?

a. Major General Mackay now runs a strategic advisory company – Complexas Ltd. – which provides specialist services to the international extractive industries, specifically in Africa. He is also Executive Chairman of IOTA Global(Information Operations Training and Advisory Services), a specialised Information Operations company established by his co-author Commander Steve Tatham. In Aug 2014 Mackay and Tatham collaborated with Professor Jim Derleth to write a new paper on Corporate Social Responsibility (CSR) in Africa.

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Bob, Band Aid and how the rebels bought their arms. By Andrew Whitehead

A quarter of a century ago, the BBC’s Michael Buerk achieved something very rare – he not only reported the world, but changed it a little bit. His vivid on-the-spot coverage of a famine “of biblical proportions” in Tigray in Northern Ethiopia pricked the conscience of the richer part of the world. The money came pouring in. Bob Geldof’s Band Aid and Live Aid led the way in galvanising public attention, raising cash and mobilising a huge relief effort.
As a result, many thousands of lives were saved – and tens of thousands of those facing starvation received food.

In the past week, the BBC World Service has broadcast an Assignment documentary – you can listen to it here – based on the testimony of key figures on the ground in and around Tigray in the mid-1980s. It presents evidence, compelling evidence, that some of the famine relief donations were diverted by a powerful rebel group to buy weapons. The documentary has revealed some uncomfortable facts and provoked a strong response. This morning a British newspaper, The Independent, gives over its front page to complaints from Bob Geldof and several leading charities. They accuse the BBC of “disgracefully poor reporting”.

The documentary did not say that most famine relief money was used to buy weapons – it did not suggest that any relief agencies were complicit in the diversion of funds – it explicitly stated that “whatever the levels of deception, much aid did reach the starving”. But there is a clear public interest in determining whether some money given as famine relief ended up buying guns and bullets.

There follows a number of views expressed by Ethiopians themselves. They add value to Andrew Whiteheads report. Evidently Sir Bob has business outstanding to resolve. Instead of berating the Scot’s, pleading with them to remain part of his family he might be better employed seeking and providing answers to the many matters of contention raised by Ethiopians who feel angry, isolated and alone.

1. A View

It’s a foregone conclusion that any aid going to Third World countries, for whatever reason, becomes a prey to corrupt leaders and organizers. And we should thank BBC for doing some investigative journalism. In fact we could use a review of all aid programs and how the money is spent in order to better organise it any next time.

But it is easy to understand Sir Bob’s outright condemnation, pop stars have big egos, add to that a messianic complex, and you are on your way to infallible sainthood. A terrible blow to Bob’s achievement, but the altruistic motive remains untarnished.

This is not to deny the genuine humanitarian work done by Geldof and others but anyone familiar with Africa knows that a huge slice of aid inevitably gets diverted to suspect causes and lines the pockets of the powerful. The unwritten rule among the left is you can’t talk about it. The BBC has broken this rule and that, of course, is what the fuss is all about.

This is what the Ethiopian people have known for years. It is not just Band Aid money that has been used for arms, other forms of aid from different organisations has gone to sustain the rebels and corruption.

2. A View

Ethiopia has received more food aid than any other African country in the past 10-20 years, but yet its agricultural production has declined in the past 10 years, this is a direct result of reliance and dependency on aid and improper use of aid by the TPLF. Maybe other solutions should be looked at (e.g. Dambisa Moyo- ‘Dead Aid’)

I would like to thank the BBC for exposing such a despicable act by the former rebels. I believe it is a true story, it is in the nature of these rebel groups to commit such crime against humanity. The Ethiopian people know this truth for more than 20 years, the same kind of looting and embezzlement is going on today too. It is good that it has been brought to the attention of the the world people through this report.

Bob Geldof your aid money was given to the tyrant Meles Zenawi who killed many Ethiopians and continues to kill many Ethiopians its sad to see you supporting the tyrant Meles Zenawi I strongly believe its very wrong to support the tyrant Meles its time to clear your conscious, and support the people of Ethiopia,and I thank the BBC Marthin Plaut for such a great investigation, it is clear that BBC report was based on credible evidence of top TPLF exiled leaders. god will avenge the poor Ethiopians blood. I say Mr Geldof stop supporting the tyrant Meles Zenawi thanks BBC.

3. A View

But Geldof’s absence is also about pride. The Irish singer raised $100 million through Band Aid, a super-group of British pop stars that set the mold for charity records to come, and Live Aid, which did the same for worldwide charity concerts. The money was to help alleviate the devastating Ethiopian famine of 1984-5, in which more than a million people are thought to have died.

But Ethiopia, a nation of nearly 80 million people, now boasts consistent economic growth of 10%, and in that context the famine, and Geldof, are remembered with more than a tinge of humiliation. Two years ago, Geldof stirred the pot more when, in a television interview, he told Ethiopian Prime Minister Meles Zenawi to “grow up” and “behave” when Ethiopian police shot dead 36 dead opposition protesters.

It was the cue for the release of long pent-up anger among Ethiopian patriots. Men such as Mulugeta Aserate Kassa. “People like me are still absolutely furious about what he said,” says Mulugeta over breakfast. “What right has he got to be so paternalistic as to tell African leaders how to behave? My God, if he wants to ever come back here, he’ll have to apologize.”

Mulugeta is a distinguished looking 56-year-old, with an exemplary Oxford English accent to match his pinstripe suit. He is also one of the organizers of the millennium celebrations. When he says of Geldof, “I don’t think we’ll be seeing him,” that’s more policy than wish.

Mulugeta says it’s not that he’s a stranger to suffering himself. He is a distant relation of the former emperor Haile Selassie, who ruled Ethiopia from 1930 to 1974 — with a five-year break from 1936 to 1941 when Italy occupied the country. When the Derg military regime deposed Selassie, Mulugeta’s father was executed and Mulugeta himself spent nine years in jail before being released to 20 years of exile in London.

But he is convinced the new millennium will restore Ethiopia and the day will soon arrive when Ethiopians no longer need outside assistance. “Nobody denies we have had famines and drought,” he says. “We have been through that. We feel it in our bones. But we have picked up the pieces. The third millennium will be a re-birth for Ethiopia.” And something to achieve without Bob.

4. A View

This is investigative journalism – the result of which makes a number of charities and Bob Geldof outraged. I have heard nothing by anyone properly describing how the charities ensured that money went to the correct places but a lot of shouting and gnashing of teeth from vested interests – me thinks they protest too much!

The BBC sources may be indeed be unreliable but to flatly deny that any corruption took place is laughable so in the interest of the truth these nay sayers need to engage with the BBC journalist and their sources and properly investigate in unison – not act like a lot of brainless yobs just shouting off.

As in all life those at the bottom of the heap are crushed further into the ground – be it black Africans or white British – there will always be someone at the top getting fat on their plight, be it exploitation of labour or diverting of aid. It is the sad fact of human existence.

5. A View

Your report on this particular issue is not only supported by the facts and figures on the ground but can also be witnessed by several millions of Ethiopians who are still alive. If BBC digs further they will uncover a lot of things such as the money that people gave at that time was also used to start companies affiliated to the TPLF party under the Endowment Fund of Tigray (EFFORT). http://www.effortgroup.org/index.htm One just wonders when their lies and cheating will end.

Kudos to the BBC for taking this allegation seriously and reporting on it. I hope the BBC will stay the course and do all the necessary follow ups to this story. Most Ethiopians feel this story is just a tip of the iceberg as far as TPLF’s shady finances are concerned and how it relates to food and development aid. Many commentators have already correctly pointed out about the need to look into the financial books of REST, and its successor EFFORT, to get to the bottom of this story.

6. A View

I think this story deserves full investigation not only by the BBC, but also by other news outlets, because it is very much relevant to what is happening to aid money in Ethiopia today. There are consistent and credible reports of aid money still being used to gain political support by the regime currently in power. This must be stopped. What better way to do that to take a serious look at what happened to aid money in the 80s and how the diversion of aid money transformed the TPLF into a formidable player which it was not prior to 1985?

7. A View

Wake up Sir Bob…”THIS IS AFRICA”…I worked for a charity in Uganda for 5 months in 1994. Everyone there, “ex pats” blacks, whites, knew the Ethiopian, “band aid” project was well intentioned but monies went missing, corruption was rife, seed corn for next years crops was eaten by the hungry (understandably)!!! many people involved in the project on the ground were well aware of the corruption and the diverting of monies AND the corruption was on a GLOBAL scale…your effort to save these poor people was one of noble intention…but maybe you were unaware what you were dealing with…..” THIS IS AFRICA”….(sadly not much has changed in the world to-day !!!!!!!!)

8. A View

I couldn’t understand the logic behind defending a voluntary confession made by the person who was one of the responsible persons to decide the fate of the donation delivered to his rebel commanding unit. Simply when someone admits that he made a mistake, no reasonable person would tell him that he didn’t make any mistake.

As per my knowledge, Sir Bob Geldof only delivered the money to those who were in charge (Sebehat Nega, and Meles Zenawi). Other than that I don’t know If he was able to witness the purchase and distribution of food to the concerned people in hunger. If he was not there, what made him certain to argue on behalf of a fair distribution of the donation?

The person whom he disgraced by saying “a man in exile in Holland” was the commander in chief of the rebels in that time. However, the way he described him shows that he knows who is who among the rebels.

He inquired evidence for the allegation, however he didn’t take time to realize that Doctor Aregawi Berhe is a living witness of the scenario as a person in charge of the army, and he confessed his involvement in the activity already.

9. A View

Unless and otherwise a person is involved in the activity of corruption with the rest of the thieves, he/ she won’t have a say on people’s confession, in my understanding.

Thank you BBC for reporting the truth. Wake up kind people of the world. Do not send money without asking,”who is using my money” Do not go by what you see on TV. Direct help is the only way in Ethiopia.

Ask where the coffee from Ethiopia you are drinking in Starbucks or any coffee shop coming from. “Fair Trade Certified” ??? Ask for the names of the owners of the farms. Fair trade organizations do not know the owners. This is the truth. They do not know if the owner has taken the farm by force or they are helping the real owner. Farms, businesses were confiscated by the gov. officials. There is no private ownership of farms.

The government of Ethiopia is in charge. Recently coffee was confiscated from exporters. Ask how can you call it Fair trade certified in a country where coffee is confiscated by government officials who are holding on to confiscated farms taken from refugees who live in Ethiopia and all over the world. Refugees were ignored by charity organization to report the truth. Their excuse “According to international law charity organization cannot get involved or say anything negative about Ethiopian government” Keep telling the kind people around the world the truth.

Sir Geldof only knows what he is told. Refugees thank him for what he tried to do. The way to help the poor has to change. Charity organization are not allowed to tell you the truth because of the “International Law” If they did they will be asked to leave as it has happened in the past.This is a fact. Thank BBC for making you question what is going on there.

10. A View

We Ethiopians have respect for Sir Bob Geldof, but after these allegations he still wants to defend his hero Meles. Sir Bob, I think you should listen to these allegations and trying to investigate and finally to prosecute the so called Ethiopian Government as you promised. The evidence you want is what BBC reported to you and those former rebel leaders, they are live witnesses, so what do you want anymore go on Sir, for the sake of Ethiopian people.

Because you collected the Aid money in the name of Ethiopian people, but it ended up to buy weapons to kill each other. Finally my country has got dictators who are still stealing not only the aid money, but also a peoples’ vote. Sir Bob don’t forget what happened in year 2005 in Ethiopia of course if you know about it. We still waiting for justice for this corruption and different genocide made by Meles and his group.

Please Sir be with Ethiopian people not with dictators. If you really this allegations made you angry and be available for further evidence and to start your own investigations now. Otherwise the future aid not only for Ethiopia but for other poor nations will be in jeopardy. The rest of charities also should start their own investigation instead of reacting angrily for the BBC report. Don’t rush the truth is bitter, but go to find it. Well done BBC and Matin Plaut.

11. A View

If there is one thing that people should be surprised about, it must be why it took a quarter of a century for the truth to be told publicly. Otherwise, particularly the deception of the TPLF is something that the Ethiopian public know them for. How REST (Relief Society of Tigray), which is a multi billion conglomerate today, was formed is not such a big secret to the Ethiopian public.

Then there is also what the CIA knew from the beginning and the American government supported it. The two former rebel commanders, who exposed this truth, mentioned this before in different interviews they gave in Amharic. Nothing is new about this. How did TPLF win the largest and well equipped army in sub-Saharan Africa then? Meles Zenawi, as many in the West, including Bob Geldof and Bono described him, is a very smart guy, actually much smarter than his admirers in the west can understand.

It is all obvious how he fool them in the name of democracy and makes them do exactly what he wants them to do when it comes to aid even at the present day. The then rebel leader who diverted the money to buy weapons is today’s prime minister of Ethiopia who is a close friend of Tony Blair and close ally of Gordon Brown.

He represents Africa in climate negotiations and is very often invited to G8 summits because he is an important ally in the war on terror in the Horn of Africa, though all he is doing is causing havoc in that part of Africa and terrorizing his own people. He is getting millions from the western donors.

12 A View

It is important and yet astonishing to listen to Bob Geldof every time he speaks about saving the hungry in Africa. Ethiopians are grateful to the donors and Geldof’s intention to help the poor. But, those of us who admire his passion and enthusiasm to help the poor, just wonder sometimes whether he is just a naive man who just listens to himself and throw tantrums when he hears things that do not fit his line of thinking.

BBC’s investigation about what happened 25 years ago in Ethiopia is just the tip of the iceberg. The Western governments’ stance, when it comes to former rebels (or leaders as they are now in Ethiopia and in many African countries), no matter how ruthless they are, they are either condemned (like Robert Mugabe) or supported as friendly dictators (Meles Zenawi) depending on the national interest of countries particularly that of US and the UK.

It is incomprehensible why many in the West think, given the size of aid money they pour in Ethiopia; Economic miracle is achieved by such dictators. Emergency food aid is important when the lives of millions in danger. Other economic and military aid should be tied to good governance. It has worked even in Africa. Look at the democracy that is flourishing in Ghana. The key to development is democracy.

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